SSPX Superior-General Fellay: "An agreement is possible without further wait."

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Below are two more interviews Bishop Fellay gave recently moving forward to be inclusive within the conciliar church.

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Source: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/01/sspx-superior-general-fellay-agreement.html#more

SSPX Superior-General Fellay: "An agreement is possible without further wait."

From the interview granted by the Superior-General of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), Bishop Bernard Fellay, to the program "Terres de Mission" by TVLibertes, a conservative French network, as reported by Italian website Radio Spada:

Bishop Fellay confirmed in the program Terres de Mission of TVLibertes broadcast minutes ago: on the factual level, relations with the Vatican are already normal, and only the seal is missing on the agreement:

"This agreement is possible, according to the Superior-general, in his view, without waiting for the situation in the Church to become complete satisfactory." [Source]


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And from an interview with sspx Fr. Larons-

Source : http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&langpair=es|en&rurl=www.google.com&sp=nmt4&u=http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2017/01/nueva-entrevista-de-mons-fellay-mas-de.html&usg=ALkJrhgE_hQscKq2qbdHBwE7WbOmBKA34Q


On the occasion of his recent visit to Paris, Bishop Fellay gave an interview to Father Lorans in "Radio Courtoisie". This interview was recorded on Friday, January 13 and broadcast on Thursday, January 26. You can hear the interview on this link . DICI made the corresponding announcement here .

While awaiting the transcription of the entire interview (which lasts 1 hour), Non Possumus publishes excerpts of relevant passages from it.

Question - Bishop Schneider recently declared that he invited him to accept the Roman propositions of a canonical agreement, without delaying too much and not demanding perfection. Is it to say that the doctrinal agreement should be put in the background? What is the position of the Fraternity in this respect?

Bishop Fellay: The problem is not in the structure, the structure is already well established, the most important, the general idea ; And is adequate and corresponds to our needs [refers to the personal prelature offered by Rome to the SSPX (*)] . This is not the problem, the problem is a great fight of ideas: if the Church for 40 years imposes a line, which is the modern line, and for which we have even been declared schismatic and all that. So: this Church is or is not willing to let us continue our journey. It is Monsignor Lefebvre who spoke of letting us experience the Tradition. Do they let us or do not they let us do it, or will they tell us tomorrow that we have to align ourselves? Everything is there, everything is there. We are still out of the law, tolerated, and with Pope Francis, surprisingly, even more than tolerated. We stay here? Do we go further?

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Noting the contradiction Bishop Fellay just made, i.e. it is acceptable to exist within and support the promulgating of the new religion, but for branding purposes, BF will not say it explicitly in that format except to term is as a [compromised] "experiment of tradition".

Of course the real Catholic Tradition does not give credence, incense, or support for new religions against Christ. So this "experience of Tradition" Bishop Fellay speaks of is only negotiating more of the "conservative inc." on top of the ecclesia dei variety. Modern Rome has no problem with that except for wanting to contain it with FULL control; which is conceded by Bishop Fellay when we hear from him using the branding term "accept us as we are" marking the full acceptance Bishop Fellay wishes to please "both" sides.
 
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We have already noted on Cor-Mariae many times that the new sspx-conciliar structure exists and what this new structure consists of given by the official medias of Menzingen. Here is a recent promulgation by Bishop Fellay making public on Aug. 24, 2016 what some of this "new structure" entails:

"[ . . . ] Rome is offering us a new structure. At its head will be a bishop, chosen by the Pope from a list of three Society members, named by the Society. He will have authority over priests, over any religious wanting to join the new structure and over Catholics belonging to the new structure. These will have an absolute right to receive from Society priests all the sacraments, including marriage. This bishop will be able to set up schools and seminaries, to ordain ( priests ), to establish new religious Congregations. The structure will be like a super-diocese, independent of all local bishops. In other words, for you faithful, there will be no change from what you are already enjoying with the Society. The only difference will be that you will be officially recognized as Catholics.

"You can easily imagine that there will be clashes with the local bishops. So we must be prudent, but as things stand you cannot imagine anything better than this offer, which is such that you cannot think it is a trap. It is not a trap , and if anyone makes us such an offer it can only be because he wishes us well . He wants Tradition to prosper and to flourish within the Church. It is impossible that such an offer could come from our enemies. They have many other ways to crush us, but not that way [ . . . ].
http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?thr...tity-with-the-conciliarists-aug-24-2016.4409/

Remembering that this co-existing, rather, blending of religions has been officially made in its outline within Bishop Fellay's Doctrinal Declaration of 2012 he sent to the Pope.


Here are a few others:

Dissenters of ABL: Caused by Doctrinal Evolution

SSPX Goes for a Full Reconciliation: Pastoral not Doctrinal

Bishop Fellay continues to defend his Doctrinal Declaration.

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Ecclesia Dei confirms Fellay: "Full communion with SSPX is near."

From Andrea Tornielli, who has been one of the unofficial spokesman for Pope Francis in his pontificate, in an article this morning for La Stampa:

"We are working at this moment in the completion of some aspects of the canonical frame, which will be the Personal Prelature." Archbishop Guido Pozzo, Secretary of the Ecclesia Dei commission, charged with dialogue with the Society of Saint Pius X, confirms [SSPX Superior-General Fellay's words] to Vatican Insider that the stage of full communion with the Lefebvrians is near. The accomplishment of the agreement is now in plain sight, even if some time is still needed.

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Bishop Fellay: "You can easily imagine that there will be clashes with the local bishops. So we must be prudent, but as things stand you cannot imagine anything better than this offer, which is such that you cannot think it is a trap. It is not a trap , and if anyone makes us such an offer it can only be because he wishes us well . He wants Tradition to prosper and to flourish within the Church. It is impossible that such an offer could come from our enemies. They have many other ways to crush us, but not that way [ . . . ].
http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?thr...tity-with-the-conciliarists-aug-24-2016.4409/

I wonder if the illustrious Bishop Fellay was able to say all this with a straight face - that Pope Francis wants Tradition to flourish? I couldn't keep one while I read it :rolleyes:

The poor bishop has been talking out of both sides of his mouth for a few years now. As has been noted Bishop Williamson does as well lately. Perhaps they are more alike than different, eh?
 
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As usual, the new-sspx is on spin-control trying to incorporate their people slowly into the branding campaign slogan "to remain as we are" to facilitate the trespass of God's law to the universal religion of man -Conciliarism. What they are not telling you is that it means "the way they are of 2012 to date"; not of ABL 1970 to 1991 and specifically of 1988!


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http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/bp-fellay-gives-rome-clear-condition


Bishop Fellay Gave Rome a Clear Condition

January 30, 2017

In an interview with an independent French television station, Bishop Fellay commented on the current status of relations between Rome and the SSPX.

During a 20 minute interview with TVLibertés on January 29, 2017, Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), commented on the crisis of the Church after the Second Vatican Council, the reaction of the clergy to today's confusion, the Rosary Crusade, and Pope Francis.

Bishop Fellay commented also on the Personal Prelature offered to the SSPX:

"I think we do not have to wait for everything to be resolved in the Church, for all the problems to be solved. But a certain number of conditions are necessary, and for us the essential condition is our survival. So I have told Rome, very clearly, that, just as Archbishop [Marcel] Lefebvre used to say in his day, we have a sine qua non condition: if this condition is not met, then we will not move. And this condition is for us to be able to remain as we are, to keep all the principles that have kept us alive, that have kept us Catholic."​

On Ecumenism and Religious Liberty

I think we are making headway here in the right direction. Rome is easing up. It is pretty recent; over the past two years now let’s say, Rome has been telling us that there are questions, or we can even say statements, put forward by the Council that are not required criteria for being Catholic. That means that we have the right not to agree and still be considered Catholic. And these questions are precisely the ones we dispute."

Archbishop Guido Pozzo, Secretary of the Ecclesia Dei Commission, confirmed the words of Bishop Fellay, according to Andrea Tornielli in Vatican Insider on January 30, 2017. "We are working at this moment on the completion of some aspects of the canonical solution, which will be the Personal Prelature."

In particular, Archbishop Pozzo confirmed an important piece of information made public by Bishop Fellay in the interview with TVLibertés:

The Holy See allows and tolerates the priestly ordinations of the Society of St. Pius X while continuing to consider them valid but not licit, after they disclose the names of the ordinands to the local bishop."

On the occasion of the priestly ordination of Fr. Daniel Sabur on July 2, 2016, Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta revealed that a letter from the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith had been sent to Bishop Fellay. In it, it was stated that the SSPX could proceed in its priestly ordinations without the authorization from the local bishop, should communicate the names of the ordained priests.

We will publish the complete interview of Bishop Fellay in the near future.
 
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On Ecumenism and Religious Liberty

I think we are making headway here in the right direction. Rome is easing up. It is pretty recent; over the past two years now let’s say, Rome has been telling us that there are questions, or we can even say statements, put forward by the Council that are not required criteria for being Catholic. That means that we have the right not to agree and still be considered Catholic. And these questions are precisely the ones we dispute."

Cardinal Mindzenty, in his Memoirs, notes that "Historical studies had taught me that compromise with this enemy (communism) will almost always play into his hands."

The same can be said of compromise with the modernist Conciliar Church. Has a single traditional community that has joined with modernist Rome not in some major way, capitulated and begun accepting the errrors of Vatican II? Has a single previously-traditional community that has joined the Conciliar Church not eventually said the Novus Ordo Missae?

Surely, Bishop Fellay has the 'grace of state' to see the already-begun corruption of the neo-SSPX as it moves forward to join with a blasphemous new religion!
 
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Some commentary from Novus Ordo Watch - SSPX Superior Bishop Fellay and the Vatican’s “Stamp of Approval”:

Bp. Fellay has essentially communicated that de facto relations between the Vatican and the SSPX are already normal, and it is not necessary to wait until everything is “totally satisfactory”. He made clear that an agreement between the two sides is intrinsically possible, and if Rome guarantees that the SSPX can continue as it is now [post ABL], then the only thing that’s needed, according to the French bishop, is Rome’s “stamp of approval”.

Considering what has been going on in Rome under “Pope” Francis, that stamp might very well come with the face of Martin Luther on it.

...Bp. Fellay’s remarks come on the heels of Novus Ordo “Bp.” Athanasius Schneider’s urging of the SSPX Superior to delay an agreement with Rome no longer, right in the midst of what seems to be developing into a brand-new schism within the Vatican II Sect over the “communion-for-adulterers” issue. We recently published insightful commentary on all this here.

This is nothing but the blind leading the blind. As our Blessed Lord warned, they will both fall into the pit (see Mt 15:14).
 
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From the Vatican Insider - "Fraternity of St. Pius X, ever closer to reconciliation".

http://www.lastampa.it/2017/01/30/v...nciliation-xY7GVwCDVyST373inFczcP/pagina.html

Ecclesia Dei’s secretary Guido Pozzo: “We are working on improving the Fraternity’s legal status”

30/01/2017
Andrea Tornielli
vatican city

“We are currently working on improving certain aspects of the canonical form, which will be the personal Prelature.” Archbishop Guido Pozzo, secretary of the Ecclesia Dei commission, which is in charge of dialogue with the Fraternity of St. Pius X, has confirmed to Vatican Insider that the moment of full communion with the Lefebvrians is near. The goal of an agreement is already in sight although it is still going to take some time.

On 29 January 2017, the superior of the Fraternity of St. Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, appeared on French television programme Terres de Mission broadcast by TV Liberté.

Fellay confirmed that the agreement process is underway and that in order to arrive at a canonical solution there will be no need to wait for the situation within the Church to be “completely satisfactory” in the eyes of the Fraternity of St. Pius X. Over the past few years, the Fraternity has not stopped mentioning the Pope’s name and praying for him during mass celebrations. Fellay saw Francis’ attitude towards the Fraternity within the context of his focus on the “peripheries” and explained the importance of ending the split from Rome.

The path of reconciliation following the mini-schism sparked by the four illegitimate episcopal ordinations celebrated by Mgr. Marcel Lefebvre in 1988, began in 2000, when the Lefebvrians travelled to Rome for the Jubilee. John Paul II gave a nod to new talks starting. Communication intensified under Benedict XVI’s pontificate, with open doctrinal questions being examined. Ratzinger first liberalised the use of the preconciliar missal and then remitted the excommunications of the Fraternity’s four bishops. Under Francis’ pontificate not only did this communication continue but it became valid and licit for Lefebvrian priests to confess faithful during the Jubilee of Mercy. This concession was extended indefinitely in the letter “Misericordia et Misera”.

As far as doctrinal issues are concerned, the main problems seem to have been overcome in view of an agreement. Members of the Fraternity were apparently asked to remain faithful to the essential aspects of being a Catholic, in other words the [1989] “professio fidei” (profession of faith), belief in the validity of the sacraments celebrated with the Novus Ordo (the liturgy that resulted from post-conciliar reform) and obedience to the Pope. There was a discussion and a sharing of ideas regarding the relationship between the magisterium and tradition, while subjects linked to ecumenism, religious freedom and the relationship between the Church and the world still need to be looked into further and could be the cause of continued disagreement.

During the course of the television interview, Fellay, in addition to recalling Francis’ concession regarding the sacraments of reconciliation and the anointing of the sick, also mentioned the Fraternity’s priestly ordinations, stating that these take place with the Holy See’s authorisation and without the need for the local bishop’s consent. As things stand, Pozzo said, the situation is more complex and stems from a decision taken by Benedict XVI and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith a few years ago. “The Holy See,” Ecclesia Dei’s secretary explained,” allows and tolerates the Fraternity of St. Pius X’s priestly ordinations, considering them valid but not licit, as long as the local bishop is informed of the names of the candidates for ordination. Pope Francis has only declared legitimate the administration of the sacraments of penance and the anointing of the sick. It is precisely in order to make all the other sacramental acts legitimate as well as valid that a canonical solution needs to be found for the Fraternity.”

The path chosen for the canonical solution, as is known, is the personal Prelature, a new figure introduced in the new Code of Canon Law in 1983 and until today only applicable to the Opus Dei. Over the course of recent years, there have been an increasing number of voices speaking out against the agreement. Richard Williamson , one of the four bishops whose excommunication was remitted by Benedict XVI, left the Fraternity and founded a more extremist group, proceeding with new episcopal ordinations. Fellay’s position, on the other hand, seems more in line with that of the Fraternity’s founder, Archbishop Lefebvre, who, back in 1988, came very close to reaching an agreement with the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, only for it then to fall through at the last minute.
 
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I think we are making headway here in the right direction. Rome is easing up. It is pretty recent; over the past two years now let’s say, Rome has been telling us that there are questions, or we can even say statements, put forward by the Council that are not required criteria for being Catholic. That means that we have the right not to agree and still be considered Catholic. And these questions are precisely the ones we dispute."
Isn't this like saying that we can belong to the Anglican Church, be inside and still remain Catholic?

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UPDATE:

Feb. 2, 2017

Source: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/02/sspx-vatican-two-dates-are-mentioned-in.html

SSPX-Vatican: "Two dates are mentioned in Rome: May 13 or July 7"

French conservative daily Le Figaro's religious correspondent Jean-Marie Guénois mentions in an article today the current status of negotiations between the Society of Saint Pius X and the Holy See (both of which we have covered: SSPX's Superior-General Fellay's interview and Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei's Secretary Pozzo's comments).

In the end, through, he adds the following new information:

Is a signing [of an agreement] close? "It is not a question of calendar," but of "full development of the dossier," the main players insist. Nevertheless, two symbolic dates are mentioned in Rome: July 7, 2017, tenth anniversary of Benedict XVI's motu proprio that reestablished the Mass according to the 1962 Missal, called the Latin Mass, as well as Extraordinary rite [sic] in the Catholic Church. Or May 13, 2017, centenary of the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima in Portugal. Pope Francis will be, on the latter day, on a pilgrimage [to Fatima].
 
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Remembering the Transalpine Redemptorists who were the latest "faithful" traditional converts to the conciliar system. See their website full of conciliar jargon, and honoring the Queen of the Episcopalian church Elisabeth II, subscriptions to Ecclesia dei articles and links such as The Hermeneutic of Continuity hosting Martin Luther dolls...

Linked also on the Redemptorist site is The Eponymous Flower site, come to find out, they too had succumbed to the conciliar world. They have removed their support for Bishop Williamson and the catholic resistance. So sad.

All things conciliar is the greatest harvest of apostation the world has ever seen.

Are you taking notes Bishop Fellay? No traditional community who went over had ever remained the same by fact they changed BEFORE they went in; and now profess that change magnified. So these new-sspx branding words of "take us the way we are" and "we have not changed" is the oxymoron represented from 2012 on are just more adulterous slogans filling the belly of the conciliar beast.

"Non servum" would be the appropriate call to make as St. Michael held with sword against ALL compromise.
 
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Source: http://www.vidanueva.es/2017/02/03/guido-pozzo-un-buen-catolico-no-puede-rechazar-el-concilio/

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Archbishop Pozzo: "A good Catholic can not reject the Council ''

Posted 02/03/2017

Secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei


DARÍO MENOR (ROME) | "I have faith. We are going in the right direction with the Lefebvrians. " Archbishop Guido Pozzo is the secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, in charge of negotiating the return to the communion of the Priestly Fraternity Saint Pius X (FSSPX). A dialogue he sees as an opportunity for all Catholics: "It can help to clarify and clarify the correct interpretation, to avoid misunderstandings, errors or ambiguities, of some conciliar teachings."

QUESTION.- What can be asked about the interpretation of the Council?

[Archbishop Pozzo]- The meetings of these years have led to a decisive clarification: Vatican II must be understood and read in the context of the Church's tradition and its constant teaching. It is not a "metaconcilio" nor a "superdogma", but a moment in the history of the faith. The magisterial authority of the Church can not be stopped in 1962. Nor is the magisterium above the Word, written or transmitted, nor progress, in the best understanding of the mysteries of faith, must always take place "in the same doctrine , In the same sense and in the same interpretation "of the teachings of the Church and transmitted from the perennial tradition, as defined by Vatican I and taken up in Vatican II's Dei Verbum. Accepted by the FSSPX, this is the central [Ed: and only] point of the discussion . The teachings of the Council have a different degree of authority, to which a different degree of adherence corresponds. Reservations, after full reconciliation, may be subject to reservations on matters that are not proper to the matter of faith, but rather to questions concerning the pastoral application of conciliar orientations and teachings, such as the relationship between the Church and the Church. State, ecumenism, interreligious dialogue or some aspects of the liturgical reform and its implementation. (...) [Ed: in other words, Bishop Fellay does not state there is true heresy only social application how it represents the "pastoral" concerns. In addition, Archbishop Pozzo had said, as elsewhere, Bishop Fellay has agreed to discuss these things in continuation AFTER the agreement. In the infamous words of U.S. REP. NANCY PELOSI: "But we have to pass the bill [the agreement] so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."]

Q. Is acceptance of the Council an essential condition?

[Archbishop Pozzo]- It is a false problem to ask whether a Catholic can accept the Council or not. A good Catholic can not reject it, because it is a universal assembly of bishops gathered around the Pope. The real problem is the interpretation of the conciliar documents. As Benedict XVI said, there are two hermeneutics in Vatican II, one in the line of renewal in continuity with tradition and another in the line of rupture with tradition. The correct interpretation is the first, but there is a problem in the interpretation of certain formulations. A dialogue with the FSSPX can help to clarify the interpretation better, to avoid misunderstandings, errors or ambiguities that are present in a certain way to understand and interpret some of the Council's teachings. (...) [Ed: Archbishop Pozzo had said, as elsewhere, Bishop Fellay has agreed to discuss these things in continuation AFTER the agreement. In the infamous words of U.S. REP. NANCY PELOSI: But we have to pass the bill [the agreement] so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.]

Q. - Does the dialogue with the FSSPX interfere with Francis' position on ecumenism and interreligious dialogue?

[Archbishop Pozzo]- The greater the clarity between true ecumenism and interreligious dialogue, separated from the confused and ambiguous ecumenism and interreligious dialogue, the less the reserves of the SSPX will be.

Published in number 3,022 of Vida Nueva.
 
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Source: http://www.vidanueva.es/2017/02/02/...efebvrianos-fraternidad-sacerdotal-san-pio-x/

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Posted on 02.02.2017


Life New interview with the Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity Saint Pius X


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In an exclusive interview with Vida Nueva , Fellay acknowledges that "there is no longer an insurmountable obstacle to a canonical recognition of the Fraternity" and sees the departure of the "personal prelature" more than feasible. Thus, although he emphasizes that Francis has given the definitive impulse to the process and admits that they have found in him a "kind and sympathetic Pope", Fellay makes it clear that they have "red lines in which we will not yield."

And these red lines essentially pass through the Second Vatican Council: "Today and yesterday, the main obstacle is the degree of the obligation of adherence to the Second Vatican Council," says Fellay, and lists: "The way in which ecumenism is practiced, including statements very dangerous to the faith, that make believe that all have the same faith; The liturgical question , or the relationship between Church and State. These are all issues that we will not give in to . It is not a position or a personal point of view, or only of our congregation. We simply hold what the Church has already taught and defined in these matters. We could sum up by saying that the conditio sine qua non is that Rome accepts us as we are ." [Ed: post 2012]

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Notice there are no rejections of heresy; only the way something is "practiced"!

So Bishop Fellay said to get by this "red line" obstacle, Rome only has to declare: "We could sum up by saying that the conditio sine qua non is that Rome accepts us as we are". The master of ambiguous maneuvers - implied consent!
 
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The devil is in the details :)

The SSPX will now accept the new code of canon law; the degree of obligation of adherence to Vatican II (interesting as its full of heresy and blasphemy - just a few drops of poison will do, thanks); 1989 profession of faith; declaring the validity of the Novus Ordo Missae (by acknowledging the validity of the N.O. liturgy) and the Novus Ordo sacraments - sure! where do we sign?! Sounds great, doesn't' it?

Traitors!

Traitors to the Blessed Trinity, traitors to Archbishop Lefebvre, traitors to themselves, and traitors to the faithful who trust them!

We need to shake the dust of the SSPX as it now is off our feet and continue to walk the narrow, thorn-strewn path of the Faith - especially when all around us are abandoning and betraying it.
 
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The devil is in the details :)

The SSPX will now accept the new code of canon law; the degree of obligation of adherence to Vatican II (interesting as its full of heresy and blasphemy - just a few drops of poison will do, thanks); 1989 profession of faith; declaring the validity of the Novus Ordo Missae (by acknowledging the validity of the N.O. liturgy) and the Novus Ordo sacraments - sure! where do we sign?! Sounds great, doesn't' it?
Those are very things Bishop Fellay said he "withdrew" in his April 15, 2012 Doctrinal Declaration.

Just more spoof!
 
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I guess the hope is if you keep on repeating a lie often enough, people will eventually believe you: "That's how conspiracies work."

 
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More damage control by the rest of Menzingen; or planned distraction.

SSPX.org waiting for the public's reaction after Bishop Fellay's three recent interviews (shown above), came out with another press release catered to their other "traditional side" in a version for their donors filtering a "blackout" of content to what Bishop Fellay really said in progressed arrangement within the SAME interview.

In other words, the sspx.org media tried to show a narration of a "tough" side while totally omitting the liberal "progressive" side that gets the deal done. See the side by side comparison of the SAME interviews; it's astounding!

In the end, words mean nothing; only the actions have any value. And we see the actions with the neo-sspx in full motion toward conciliarism, only to conclude what history repeats - a train wreck!
 
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Next to the elephant in the room is the rhinoceros.

In an opinion piece by Roberto de Mattei -
"The wish of Bp. Bernard Fellay to regularize the canonical position of the Society of St. Pius X with an agreement that nothing will undermine the identity of his institute is certainly commendable, but the question arises: Is it opportune to be placed under the legal umbrella of Rome in the very moment when the law is being ignored, or worse yet, being used as a means to crack down on those who want to remain faithful to Catholic faith and morals?"
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/02/op-ed-violent-pope-by-roberto-de-mattei.html
The charade continues...
 
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