Holy Father suppressing the Ecclesia Dei Commission? And now?

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Wednesday 26 December 2018

Does the Holy Father suppress the Ecclesia Dei Commission? And now?

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Addenda : the suppression of the Ecclesia Dei Commission corresponds to a long-standing desire
expressed by the FSSPX, which has always seen the Commission as the guarantor of the groups
betrayed "competitors" in communion with Rome. The FSSPX prefers to deal directly with the CDF
rather than with a Commission dependent on it. It seems that the Holy See considers it appropriate
to fulfill these requests ....

Abstract in English at the bottom of the post
Résumé en françains au fond du post.

Unfortunately, reliable sources tell us, from many places and for several days, that the Pope has decided to dissolve the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei which, very quickly - seems at the beginning of the new year or in January - would flow indistinctly into the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) , of which it was already a part, but with its own identity and functions.

Functions that, with the Summorum Pontificum and the Universae Ecclesiae, have been considerably enlarged compared to the original skills, substantially limited to the return of the priests linked to Tradition and connected in some way to the FSSPX (see below ).

Above all, it must be emphasized that the enrichment of the tasks of Ecclesia Dei has made clear the overcoming of the "indultist" regime and the full liberalization of the traditional liturgy, which constitutes the great novelty of the MP and that threatens to be threatened today. Is it not by chance that you want to indulge / implement in a subtle / indirect way as desired in CEI about the end of the Tridentine Mass ( HERE MiL)?

We can not hide our grave concern to see the good done in these years destroyed, and, hoping that the news is not confirmed, we must ask ourselves some questions:
  1. it will be a mere administrative / organizational reorganization within the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith , or the intervention will also be extended to the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum and to the Universae Ecclesiae , which explicitly provide for the existence of the Commission and assign tasks to it. specific (see below and HERE and HERE the original Latin and the Italian translation of the Summorum Pontificum , HERE the accompanying Letter of Benedict XVI, HERE the Italian text of ' Universae Ecclesiae , HERE the Editorial Note of the same HERE and HERE the Apostolic Letter Ecclesia Gods of 1988, Latin and Italian versions)?
  2. Who will the permanent groups turn to in order to obtain the protection granted to them by the Motu Proprio and the Application Instruction?
  3. Who will be used if the Bishops will not give proper application to the Motu Proprio?
  4. Who will the faithful and priests address to the liturgical matters concerning the ancient rite?
  5. From whom will depend the Institutes that so far were called, in fact, "Ecclesia Dei"?
  6. What is the Commission's staff going to do?
  7. Mons. Guido Pozzo (67 years old today, best wishes!) What new function will you have? But it will have it or it will end like the card. Muller?
  8. Who will keep the relationship with the FSSPX?
  9. Who will take care of the hundreds of priestly and religious vocations, of the many convents and monasteries in existence and in the process of being established, of the new religious groups, of the hundreds of thousands of faithful and, in general - in the midst of the vocational collapse, of offers and of frequencies to the Masses - of the flowering of new Catholic vocations?
Can we make ourselves a spokesman for a supplication of reflection or rethinking? Can the world of Tradition be a spokesperson for this request?

In conclusion: with all the problems of the Church today (we avoid firing on the Red Cross in matters of pederasty, robberies, fornication with men and women, etc.), was it really necessary? CERTAINLY NO!

And the leaders of the Church should remember, if the news turned out to be true and they really wanted to try to destroy the traditionalist charism within the Catholic world, the voice of Gamaliel in the Acts of the Apostles (5.34-39):
"34 Then a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the Law, esteemed by all the people, rose up and gave orders to let them go out for a moment, and said," Men of Israel, look carefully at what you are doing to In the end, it was Torauda who claimed to be somebody, and about four hundred men joined him in. But he was killed, and those who let themselves be persuaded by him were dissolved and ended up in vain. Galileo, at the time of the census, and induced people to follow him, but he too ended badly, and those who had let themselves be persuaded by him were dispersed 38 Now therefore I tell you: do not mind these men and let them go. plan or this work was of human origin, it would be destroyed, 39 but if it comes from God, you will not be able to destroy them ... You do not even find yourself fighting against God! " .
Luigi

Addenda : the suppression of the Ecclesia Dei Commission corresponds to a long-standing desire expressed by the FSSPX, which has always seen the Commission as the guarantor of the groups betrayed "competitors" in communion with Rome.
The FSSPX prefers to deal directly with the CDF rather than with a Commission dependent on it. It seems that the Holy See considers it appropriate to fulfill these requests ....

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For information from our readers and who will make the decision, from the various papal documents some passages that assign direct competences to the Ecclesia Dei Commission , asking ourselves if and what will change (we imagine that everything will pass to the CDF or the competences will pass to the Religious Congregations Divine Cult, inviting to evaluate all the dangers for the charism of Tradition and the consequences of subtracting these skills from the CDF) :

from the Instruction Universae Ecclesiae:
9. The Supreme Pontiff conferred on the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei ordinary vicarious powers for the matter of his competence, in particular by supervising the observance and application of the provisions of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum (see article 12).
  1. It is up to the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei , subject to approval by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments , to take care of the eventual edition of the liturgical texts concerning the extraordinal form of the Roman Rite.
  2. The diocesan Bishops, according to the Code of Canon Law , must be vigilant in liturgical matters in order to guarantee the common good and for everything to be done worthily, in peace and serenity in their Diocese [5], always in accordance with the mens of the Roman Pontiff clearly expressed by the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum [6]. In the event of a dispute or a doubt founded on the celebration in the extraordinarial form , he will judge the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei .
  3. In the Dioceses where there are no suitable priests, the diocesan Bishops can ask the collaboration of the priests of the Institutes erected by the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei , both in terms of the celebration, and in order for the eventual learning of the same.
  4. With regard to tonsure, minor orders and sub-diaconate, the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum introduces no change in the discipline of the 1983 Code of Canon Law ; consequently, in the Institutes of Consecrated Life and in the Societies of Apostolic Life that depend on the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei , the professed with perpetual votes or those who have been definitively incorporated into a clerical society of apostolic life, with diaconate ordination is incardinated as a cleric in the institute or in society, according to canon 266 § 2 of the Code of Canon Law .
  5. Only in the Institutes of Consecrated Life and in the Societies of Apostolic Life that depend on the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei and in those where the use of the liturgical books of the extraordinarial form is maintained, is permitted the use of the Pontifical Romanum of 1962 for the conferral of minor and major orders.
And from the Summorum Pontificum:
Art. 7. If a group of lay faithful among those mentioned in art. 5 § 1 has not been satisfied with his requests by the parish priest, he informs the diocesan bishop. The Bishop is strongly asked to fulfill their wish. If he can not provide for this celebration, it is referred to the Pontifical Commission " Ecclesia Dei ". Art. 8. The Bishop, who wishes to respond to these requests of the lay faithful, but for various reasons is prevented from doing so, can refer the matter to the Commission " Ecclesia Dei " , to offer advice and help. Art. 11. The Pontifical Commission " Ecclesia Dei ", erected by John Paul II in 1988 [5] , continues to exercise its task.
And from the Apostolic Letter Ecclesia Dei:
6. Taking into account the importance and complexity of the problems mentioned in this document, by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, I establish the following:
a ) a Commission is set up, with the task of collaborating with the Bishops, with the Dicasteries of the Roman Curia and with the concerned circles, with the aim of facilitating the full ecclesial communion of priests, seminarians, communities or individual religious and religious so far in various they are linked to the Fraternity founded by Archbishop Lefebvre, who wish to remain united to the Successor of Peter in the Catholic Church, preserving their spiritual and liturgical traditions, in the light of the Protocol signed on 5 May by Cardinal Ratzinger and Msgr. Lefebvre;
b ) this Commission is composed of a Cardinal President and other members of the Roman Curia, in the number that will be deemed appropriate according to the circumstances;
c ) moreover, the soul of all those who feel connected to the Latin liturgical tradition must be respected everywhere, through a wide and generous application of the directives, already emanated by the Apostolic See for some time, for the use of the Roman Missal according to the typical edition of 1962 (9).
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Inglese:
Unfortunately, we need to explain the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, which we believe to be in the beginning of the new year or in January. Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), of which it was already a part, but with its own identity and functions. Could the world of Tradition be the spokesperson for a supplication or rethinking? In conclusion: with all the problems of the Church today, would that intervention be necessary? NOT, FOR SURE! We are incredulous and seriousy worried.

Français:
Malleureusement, des sources fiables nous disent de nombreux endroits et plusieurs jours que le pape a décidé de supprimer the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, here in a très court laps de temps (semble être au début de l'année ou en janvier) dans la Congrégation pour la Doctrine de la Foi (CDF), dont elle faisait déjà partie, maize avec sa propre identité et ses propres fonctions. The worlds of the Tradition pourrait-the être the porte-parole d'une supplication ou d'une nouvelle réflexion? En conclusion: avec tous les problèmes de l'Église aujourd'hui (nous évitons de tirer en matière de pédérastie, de vol, de fornication avec des hommes et des femmes, etc.), une telle intervention serait-elle nécessaire? PAS DU TOUT! Nous sommes incrédules et sérieusement inquiets.

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Wednesday, December 26, 2018

LAST INFORMATION OF TOSATTI ABOUT "ECCLESIA DEI"

Quote taken from the site of the Vaticanist Marco Tosatti:

"The Motu Proprio, which establishes the end of Ecclesia Dei as an independent commission and its integration as an Office in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, is ready, signed by the Pontiff, and should have been published last Thursday. reasons why the document has not yet been published.

It is a fairly short legal text, in which it is said that the pastoral emergency linked to the celebration of the Vetus Ordo, which led to the creation of the Ecclesia Dei Commission thirty years ago, has come to an end ; and as a result, the Commission, too, in its current form, no longer has any reason to exist. "
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RUMORS IN THE VATICAN: POPE FRANCIS PRETENDS TO END THE MASS IN LATIN
ROME, July 26, 2017 ( LifeSiteNews ) : Sources within the Vatican suggest that Pope Francis wants to end universal permission for priests to celebrate Pope Benedict's Traditional Latin Mass, also known as the "Extraordinary Form of the Mass." " While the line of action would be in tune with the expressly repeated disdain of Pope Francis for Traditional Mass especially among young people, there has not been an open discussion of this to date.

Sources in Rome told LifeSite last week that the liberal prelates within the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, were casually overheard discussing a plan attributed to the Pope to abolish Pope Benedict's famous document that gives priests the freedom to offer the ancient rite of the Mass

Traditionalist Catholics have just celebrated the tenth anniversary of the document, Summorum Pontificum. Pope Benedict issued it in 2007, giving all Latin Rite priests permission to offer the Traditional Mass without seeking the permission of their bishops, undoing the restriction imposed on priests after the Second Vatican Council.

The motu proprio outraged the liberal bishops, since it took away the power to prohibit the traditional Mass, as many did. Previously the priests needed the permission of their bishop to offer this Mass.

Additionally, Summorum Pontificum stated that wherever a group of faithful requested the Traditional Mass, the parish priests should gladly accept their request. The plans that were heard are almost identical to the comments of a leading Italian liturgist in an interview published by La Croix earlier this month. Andrea Grillo, a lay professor at the Pontifical Athenaeum of San Anselmo in Rome, described by La Croix as "close to the Pope", is intimately familiar with Summorum Pontificum. In fact, Grillo published a book against Summorum Pontificum even before the papal document was published.

Grillo told La Croix that Francisco is considering abolishing Summorum Pontificum. According to Grillo, once the Vatican erects the Fraternity of St. Pius X as a Personal Prelature, the Roman Rite will be preserved only within this structure. "But [Francisco] will not do it while Benedict XVI lives."

The plan, as reported to LifeSite, involves making an agreement with the FSSPX and, with the agreement established, to confine Catholics who want the Traditional Mass to the SSPX. For most, this would take away their access to the Traditional Mass as there would not be enough SSPX priests to serve Catholics who want the Traditional Mass all over the world.

Furthermore, the LifeSite source suggested that the plan could explain the May 20, 2017 letter by the recently dismissed Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Gerhard Müller. Although Cardinal Müller wanted the FSSPX to be completely reconciled to help fight Modernists in the Church, the letter of May 20 seemed to sink the agreement between Pope Francis and the SSPX, which would see them gain a personal prelature . The letter includes provisions that have long been completely unacceptable for the SSPX, thus nullifying the understanding that the FSSPX leader, Bishop Bernard Fellay, thought was imminent.

The LifeSite source suggested that Müller's letter of May 20 was perhaps written because he knew what Francisco was up to and wanted to prevent the plan to bury the Summorum Pontificum with Pope Benedict. "It is directed not so much against Fellay but against the agreement," the source said. "Pope Francis was very angry that the document came from Cardinal Müller, and some say that's why he made the decision to dismiss him."
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See also: Homme Nouveau

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Thursday, December 27, 2018



The headquarters of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to which the
Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei belongs


SYNTHESIS OF THE NOVELTIES ABOUT "ECCLESIA DEI"
Quote from Vaticanist Marco Tosatti: "It is not a mystery that the reigning pontiff and a good part of his power group (in particular the prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, Cardinal Stella, one of the many Beria of the Vatican) , love, like the smoke in your eyes, everything that reminds you of the tradition, but that you have decided to push the Catholics to fill the churches of the SSPX, killing the liturgy Vetus Ordo seems really surrealist ... A cryptolefebvrista pontiff? ! " (from the article "Ecclesia Dei liquidada? Credible voices, we hope not." ).

Tosatti and, in general, the conservatives who value the Tridentine mass, think that the objective of the suppression or transformation of the pontifical commission Eclessia Dei, would be to restrict severely or, in fact, to prohibit the celebration of the mass according to the vetus ordo; what would cause that the faithful who at the moment attend the tridentine Masses celebrated according to the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum , are forced to emigrate en masse to the SSPX. Fearing this attack on the Tridentine mass, Tosatti expresses his hope that the suppression or transformation of Ecclesia Dei will not take effect.

Others, however (see here and here ), maintain, for some time, that Pope Francis intends to "kill two birds with one stone": restrict the vetus ordo and control the SSPX, giving it the great Greek gift of a sort of world monopoly on the celebration of the "extraordinary rite" (which necessarily involves the regularization of the Fraternity).

Another very important quote from Tosatti: "The Motu Proprio that establishes the end of Ecclesia Dei as an independent commission ... says that the pastoral emergency linked to the celebration of Vetus Ordo has come to an end, which led to the creation of the Commission Ecclesia Dei thirty years ago, and as a result, also the Commission, in its current form, no longer has any reason to exist. " ( source ) What was that "pastoral emergency"? For the existence of a congregation that, outside the control of liberal and modernist Rome, was able to attract to itself the Catholics who wanted to continue fighting in defense of the Catholic faith. According to the same Monsignor Lefebvre, this is the true purpose of Ecclesia Dei: it is, he said, a "Roman commission that is responsible for the recovery of the traditionalists to submit them to the Council" ( source ) . That is why some reasonably assume that the regularization of the SSPX is close.

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Comment from another forum:

This seems to be the fulfillment of what Bishop Fellay explained back in 2016 in which only Tradition will exist only in the "Super diocese":

[ . . . ] Rome is offering us a new structure. At its head will be a bishop, chosen by the Pope from a list of three Society
members, named by the Society. He will have authority over priests, over any religious wanting to join the new structure
and over Catholics belonging to the new structure. These will have an absolute right to receive from Society priests all
the sacraments, including marriage. This bishop will be able to set up schools and seminaries, to ordain ( priests ), to
establish new religious Congregations. The structure will be like a super-diocese, independent of all local bishops.
In other words, for you faithful, there will be no change from what you are already enjoying with the Society. The only
difference will be that you will be officially recognized as Catholics.
"You can easily imagine that there will be clashes with the local bishops. So we must be prudent, but as things stand you
cannot imagine anything better than this offer, which is such that you cannot think it is a trap. It is not a trap , and if anyone
makes us such an offer it can only be because he wishes us well . He wants Tradition to prosper and to flourish within the
Church. It is impossible that such an offer could come from our enemies. They have many other ways to crush us, but not that
way [ . . . ]. (Aug, 24, 2016, Conference New Zealand).​
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The transcribed excerpt of Bishop Fellay’s words starts at the 7 minutes 53 seconds mark and finishes at the 13 minutes 13 seconds mark.​
And there are two ways of incardination. The one is belonging to a diocese and the one the other one is belonging to a religious congregation order. The Church refuses to give this sacrament to let's call them loose, loose cannons, loose priests. They must be under the jurisdiction, under the order, under the obedience and it is very interesting to see that this is one of the major arguments which Rome is using against us to say that we and the uh future priests are suspended. They claim that you are not incardinated so your ordination is illegitimate. This they did since the time when they pretended since they had suppressed the Society. Now and this is very interesting, and you may understand there the importance of our discussions with Rome. Discussions we do not deal with so you say making a deal with Rome or making concessions with Rome. No. These discussion have as a purpose that we request from these authorities which we still recognize as legitimate. That they do recognize that our action is authentically Catholic, is legitimate. And one of the we may say last steps which Rome has done is precisely about the ordinations given by us. In fact, it's about a little bit more than two years now that this is already a fact but as it is done with the subtle Roman politics I didn't even realize that. As only just now a few months ago that I have received a letter so it's written in black and white from Rome which states, “you can freely ordain the priest of the Society and of course it implies the communities which are with us without asking the permission to the local ordinary. So Rome states we can freely ordain our candidates. That means that Rome does recognize as legitimate the action like the one we took today. We can see here how far we are from the condemnation from the local ordinary. But, yes, it is true, it is very complicated, it is a very complicated situation the one in which we are and it is not because of us. It's because of the situation of the Church which is real...excuse the word a real mess. They, we do say that this situation of tremendous confusion is the consequence of a Council , Council Vatican II, in which the germs of this confusion have been inoculated into the Church. And that's precisely because we fight against this because we fight against this disorder that we have been punished. Of course we do say that it is unjust. That's the situation, that's why we continue to do what the Church has always done but it is interesting to see that little by little, in the facts, Rome does recognizes that we exist and that what we do is right.”​
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Friday, January 4, 2019

"In 2017, in an interview with the RAI, the progressive liturgist Andrea Grillo demanded that the traditional rite be allowed only to a small and well-defined group that should be strictly delimited and controlled." His words were understood by the observers as a requirement for create an exotic and closely guarded reserve for the Fraternity of St. Pius X, while the other traditionalist communities now united with Rome should be deprived of their right to exist, Rico and Cannone believe that Pope Francis has made this requirement his strategy with the objective of first eliminating the communities of the Ecclesia Dei with the help of the Fraternity and then putting the Fraternity on a short leash ".

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(Rome) More and more voices are pronouncing about the reports that the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei is about to be dissolved.
The two authors Fabrizio Cannone and Alessandro Rico see it as a papal maneuver to assassinate the tradition in the back . Cannone, born in 1974, is a doctor in Church History and Religious Studies, and has written for Roman Corrispondenza , Fides Catholica , Homme Nouveau and many other Catholic media. More recently, he published the book: " The Inconvenient Pope, History and Background of the Beatification of Pius IX ." (1) Rico, born in 1991, studied philosophy at the Sapienza and Political History of Ideas at the LUISS in Rome. In 2017 he published, together with Lorenzo Castellani, the book "The end of politics, Technocracy, Populism, Multiculturalism" (2). He calls himself "Catholic, conservative, and opponent of politically correct." Both are close to the Catholic Tradition.
In the last few days, the transcendence has been almost confirmed that Pope Francis, in January 2019, will dissolve the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei and its functions will be transferred to the Congregation of the Faith.
"It's a decision that could hide a new chapter in the Vatican war between progressives and conservatives, and with this step, Francisco wants to start another offensive against his adversaries."
The Ecclesia Dei Commission was established in 1988 by John Paul II. It became the roof of the emerging communities of tradition that remained united to Rome when Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the newly consecrated bishops of the Fraternity of St. Pius X (FSSPX) were declared excommunicated by Rome.
In addition, Benedict XVI was entrusted with discussions with the Fraternity in preparation for reconciliation and canonical recognition. The Commission, headed by Archbishop Guido Pozzo as secretary, is also in charge of matters relating to the traditional form of the Roman rite.
The Fraternity sees itself as the exclusive custodian of the tradition, recognizing a "competence" in the Commission and in the Ecclesia Dei communities. There are resentments that go back to the year 1988, when the Motu proprio Ecclesia Dei was seen as a Roman countermeasure for the Fraternity. This point of view is still found in the Fraternity 30 years later.

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The Fraternity has asked in Rome for their desire to speak directly with the Congregation of the Faith, and not with the subordinate commission Ecclesia Dei.
"The Pope, who has difficulties supporting the clergy and the faithful linked to the pre-conciliar Mass, took the opportunity to strike directly at the conservative front by marginalizing the archbishop [Pozzo] without giving advantage to the traditional liturgy."
At the same time, Francisco tries to confront the two traditionalist souls. It was based on the desire for revenge of the Fraternity against the remaining "competence" of the Ecclesia Dei communities. The Fraternity, according to Francisco's assessment, also felt "increasingly pressured" to reach an agreement with Rome. Only three bishops remained since the expulsion of Richard Williamson, whose ages are 73, 61 and 60 years. In the Fraternity there is a desire for more bishops. It requires the consent of the ruling pope. The authors stress that it is understandable, in this context, that in Ecclesia Dei community circles, the apparently imminent dissolution of the Ecclesia Dei Commission is understood as a "pact between the Lefebvrianos and Francisco to the detriment of the other communities of tradition" . Plus:
"Progressives are known to set themselves free from any remnant of the pre-conciliar liturgy, although the Mass in its traditional form attracts more and more believers, in contrast to many flat, disjointed Masses that are celebrated in our parishes. Bishop Roberto Maria Radaelli, bishop of Gorizia, went so far as to affirm that Summorum Pontificum, the motu proprio of Benedict XVI, with which the Latin Mass was restored, was not valid according to Canon Law ".
In 2017, in an interview with the RAI, the progressive liturgist Andrea Grillo demanded that the traditional rite be allowed only to a small and well-defined group that should be strictly delimited and controlled. His words were understood by the observers as a requirement to create an exotic and closely guarded reserve for the Society of St. Pius X, while the other traditionalist communities now united to Rome should be deprived of their right to exist. Rico and Cannone believe that Pope Francis has made this requirement his strategy with the aim of first eliminating the communities of the Ecclesia Dei with the help of the Fraternity and then putting the Fraternity on a short leash.

Giuseppe Nardi
(1) Fabrizio Cannone: The Pope uncomfortable. History and background of the beatification of Pius IX. Foreword by Roberto de Mattei, Ediciones Ares, Milan, 2012, 440 pages.
(2) Alessandro Rico / Lorenzo Castellani: The end of politics? Technocracy, Populism, Multiculturalism, Historica Ediciones, Cesena 2017, 160 pages.

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Update

Below is a picture of the altar after having been dedicated. This, obviously, appears to be anything but Traditional Catholic. Notice the short hair of the 'Virgin' with no veil. Notice that the 'crucifix' lacks the INRI inscription and the lack of Blood on the figure. It certainly has the neo-Pagan, modernist signature all over it. It's hard to imagine what the superiors were thinking.

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