Moran back with OLMC -- did he ever leave?

Discussion in 'Resistance Movement (Member 149 is Machabees)' started by MaryM, Jul 25, 2018.

  1. Admin

    Admin Administrator

    In deference to Flower and Tobias I have passed your opinions of MaryM on to her in a PM. I suggest you take these matters up with her personally. Similar posts will be passed on privately.

    Cor Mariae's position is that, since the Fathers are still praying for confirmation from Our Lady AND have yet to finished their research, it is at least seriously imprudent for them to allow Ambrose to publicly function as if he were a true Catholic bishop such as his conditional ordaining of Fr. Poisson and saying Masses for the public at OLMC.

    The conclusions of the research carried out by Ecclesia Militans are logical and irrefutable if read through intelligently. This administration finds it regrettable that such research is misrepresented as 'circumstantial' 'uncharitable' or as slandering the Fathers.

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  2. MaryM

    MaryM Well-Known Member

    Recently posted on the Catacombs by "Remy":
    (From an email)

    Summary of Fr. Pfeiffer’s catechism toward Bishop Ambrose Moran:

    Bishop Ambrose Moran was baptized catholic in the Catholic Church of the Roman Rite (proved by an authentic Catholic Baptismal certificate).

    He was raised Catholic.

    He entered a catholic seminary; fulfilled his seminary pre-ordination three year teaching assignment (proved by news clippings and more). ambrosemoran.wordpress.com/

    In 1974, Ordained a priest by an orthodox bishop (Bishop Ilnytskyy).
    Bishop Ilnytskyy was a bishop of the "Autocephalous Ukrainian-Orthodox
    Church of America", and when he ordained a Father William
    Ambrose Moran in the Catholic chapel there in Long Island, he ordained him as a
    Catholic priest and he functioned as a Catholic priest under a Catholic
    Bishop Boretsky serving with jurisdiction incardinated into the Toronto
    Canada Diocese (proved by an incardination letter, Ibid ).

    In 1975, he accepted to serve with jurisdiction under Cardinal Slipyj in Rome (news clippings prove this, Ibid ).

    In 1975, he was conditionally re-ordained by Cardinal Slipyj; received the customary Adamencium (signed Greek Corporal, Ibid).

    In 1976, he consecrated bishop twice; once in secret by Cardinal Slipyj
    earlier in that year (supplied by circumstantial evidence, Ibid ); the second was
    in July 1976 verified by a certificate of consecration and historical
    accounts within an Ukrainian Cathedral in Chicago by an unprecedented
    eight bishops.

    Bishop Ambrose Moran served as a Ukrainian Bishop under the auspices of the
    title “Autocephalous Ukrainian-Orthodox Church of America”. Remembering
    the historical union between the Orthodox Bishop Hryhorij, who
    established a USA jurisdiction in 1942, and was a bishop who devoted his
    whole life trying to unite the Ukrainian church and separate it from
    the Russian and Greek churches. He was friends with Cardinal Slipyj,
    and worked with Cardinal Slipyj, to try to separate his orthodox
    jurisdiction making it into a quasi-jurisdiction with the Ukraine (hence
    the title of the jurisdiction “Autocephalous Ukrainian-Orthodox Church
    of America” ) allowing one of Bishop Hryhorij’s priests of his
    jurisdiction, or Bishop of his jurisdiction, to draw a union with the
    Ukrainians under Cardinal Slipyj. In consequence, the “Autocephalous
    Ukrainian-Orthodox Church of America” was divided into two parts, one
    was in union with Cardinal Slipyj, the other one was not, yet all under
    auspice title “Autocephalous Ukrainian-Orthodox Church of America”.
    And we have it there in the documents of the Santa Sophia in Rome that
    Cardinal Slipyj accepted Bishop Ambrose Moran under his jurisdiction. Hence,
    the appearance of “orthodox”, but existing as an Ukrainian Bishop in
    jurisdiction under Cardinal Slipyj under the quasi-Orthodox Metropolitan
    trying to draw a Ukrainian union through Cardinal Slipyj and Bishop
    Hryhorij. One may say ecumenical in outward practice, but through
    Cardinal Slipyj life’s work with the Catholic Ukraine and Orthodox, it
    was a gain as a conduit for the orthodox to come back to the Catholic
    Church. (See Fr. Pfeiffer’s extended comments on this)

    In 1983, Bishop Ambrose Moran was appointed the Metropolitan and successor to
    the orthodox Bishop Hryhorij. This is where the question or concerns or
    doubts come in from the people is primarily that, the word Orthodox is
    continually used. However the name of the jurisdiction established in
    1942 was called the “Autocephalous Ukrainian-Orthodox Church of
    America”. So now it is led under the Ukrainian Bishop, Bishop Ambrose Moran’s
    control, in union with Cardinal Slipyj. This is where we heard in a
    sermon by Bishop Ambrose Moran (at OLMC) that he has jurisdiction from Cardinal
    Slipyj, who himself had received it from Rome to work undercover in
    communist countries to establish Catholic states and jurisdictions.

    In the following years later however under the tried for union of the
    “Autocephalous Ukrainian-Orthodox Church of America” (1970’s – and early
    80’s), the union to the Ukraine catholic religion did not succeed. The
    subsequent meetings turned into a big disaster and they separated once
    again. No thanks to Vatican II promoting each religion to remain as
    they are. Which fostered more distrust with Cardinal Slipyj against
    modern rome to secretly ordain and consecrate more Catholic priests and
    bishops

    Summary to the main accusations:

    Q. “He was ordained a priest and/or consecrated a bishop by an orthodox bishop”.
    A. Canon law states clearly a baptized catholic who receives a
    sacrament with good intention from an orthodox priest or bishop receives
    the sacrament and does NOT receive the penalty. Further it states, if
    there was any ‘suspension’ to the new priest or bishop, it is reversed
    once officially accepted and assigned a mission in the Church. Father
    William Ambrose Moran was truly ordained a catholic priest and served under the
    jurisdiction of a Catholic Bishop within the Catholic Church. Many
    certificates, documents, newspaper articles and photos show this (Ibid).

    Q. “There are alleged ‘forged signatures and doctored photos’”.
    A. This was already explained in Fr. Pfeiffer’s talk. It is
    understandable through the layers of administration and corrections
    inherent to sacramental records needing corrective dates…unable to fix
    otherwise. Regarding any ‘doctored photos’ without forensic evidence
    remains only an allegation. However, given a doubt by relying only on
    face value and subjective thought, one can ponder too if Bishop Ambrose Moran
    felt he later needed to have some other verification to his receiving a
    SECRET consecration from Cardinal Slipyj and done so to “prove” his
    consecration. Think 1980’s and the Vatican II world. One can
    speculate. Still, these are only secondary questions that do not outweigh the primary
    verification of a certificate of consecration elevating Bishop Ambrose
    Moran to the Episcopacy documented on July 1976 within the Ukrainian
    Cathedral signed by the eight consecrating bishops. This makes him a
    true valid bishop of the Catholic Church.

    Q. “But why two consecrations?” A. There could be reason
    Cardinal Slipyj joined this conditional consecration to meet the needs
    of the Ukrainian faithful wanting to see a visual consecration than the
    prior secret one he gave months ago to Bishop Ambrose Moran so to appease the
    Ukrainian movement helping to bring the orthodox in union with them
    (isn’t that what people are asking for now, a visual consecration?,
    Ironic). Moreover, there is a document that suggests this, archived
    within the Ukrainian Cathedral in Chicago verified by a letter (in the
    Ukraine language) addressed by the orthodox bishop, Bishop Hryhorij, to
    the eight consecrating bishops, stating father William Ambrose Moran, Bishop
    Ambrose Moran, was already consecrated earlier that summer by Cardinal
    Slipyj. This also confirms the knowledge of that secret consecration by
    Bishop Ambrose Moran to be true.

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    Assuming the above to be true, a few things come to my mind:

    - If Moran was baptised and reared Catholic, why would he study for and be ordained orthodox?

    - How can he be a teacher at a school, in lay clothing, if he was supposedly a seminarian at the same time?

    - Why would he feel a need to be consecrated twice? I understand what was written, but why then, after the second consecration, did he continue acting as an orthodox bishop?

    - If Moran was elevated to Metropolitan and successor to the orthodox Bishop Hryhorij, why is there no definitive proof even in a memoir or journal of some kind left by b. Hryhorij? The same question applies to Cardinal Slipyj.

    - Doctored photos are still doctored photos. The end never justifies the means.

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    The catacombs admins then states:

    "Seeing what Remy has written here has me very concerned to see the Orthodox interwoven throughout so much of Bp. Ambrose’s life.

    "Which in turn begs begs the question, what has the bishop been doing from 1983 until 2015? It would be helpful if this part of his curriculum vitae were expanded upon."

    The Catacombs admin poses a good question: Where is Moran's public life as a supposed Catholic bishop these last 30 years?

    The answer, at least in part, is that he was busy being consecrated by and consecrating at a non-Catholic non-orthodox cult Colorado.

    "It was from “Bishop” Gregory that I obtained Ambrose Moran’s Orthodox consecration certificate. Ambrose Moran presented it as evidence that he was an Orthodox bishop. He also presented this letter." - EcclesiaMilitans.
    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2007_11_11_Letter_Ambrose_Moran_to_Bishop_Gregory.pdf [Caution, auto download.]

    In this letter, written by Moran himself, Moran says he regrets all his doings outside the orthodox church and requests acceptance into the GOCA. He then ends with: "I desire to end my life in communion only with true Orthodox Christians."

    According to an orthodox website Moran was, yet again, conditionally consecrated. This time, he was consecrated bishop of the GOCA (by an orthodox who was kicked out of the orthodox church 2004). "The GOCA is truly from their own admission what people worldwide have been claiming– a “personal church”, and not a single Bishop there has a right to ordain a [orthodox] priest, let alone each other."
    https://nftu.net/gregory-of-colorados-single-handed-consecration-dont-let-the-kiousites-find-out/

    After this non-Catholic non-orthodox consecration of Moran, Moran then consecrated a non-catholic non-orthodox bishop for the GOCA cult.
    https://www.gocamerica.org/photos-consecration-bpjohn-2008-01.shtml

    This does not sound like the actions of a Catholic to me, much less a Catholic bishop, and true Faithful of Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Church would do well to steer clear of Moran and all who support him.

    I would encourage the Catacombs admin and all Faithful to review the excellent in-depth research and irrefutable hard evidence under "Moran" on ecclesiamilitans.com.
     
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  3. MaryM

    MaryM Well-Known Member

    Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Seminary accepts Ambrose Moran as a valid bishop and intends to move forward with him in sacramental association; even if we eventually discover that he is lying about his consecration by Cardinal Slipyj.” - Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer [Note: bold is mine. Fr. Pfeiffer's use of we means Fr. Hewko has made his decision.]

    OLMC forgets the wise words of ABL:
    "In these critical moments, we must remain with that which is surest. We must avoid doubtful things.

    "We must make our stand on things that are certain, absolutely certain, without a thousandth per cent of doubt [...]"

    The Faithful, including Fr. Hewko and those "under" Fr. Pfeiffer, would do well to ponder these words of ABL:

    “One must understand the meaning of obedience and must distinguish between blind obedience and the virtue of obedience. Indiscriminate obedience is actually a sin against the virtue of obedience.” (ABL-Interview, July 1978)
     
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  4. MaryM

    MaryM Well-Known Member

    In this entire discussion about Moran, a few things have been overlooked:

    - Though Don Bosco college denied him being an alumnus, it's still a college and not a major seminary for priestly formation. So, which seminary did he attend or who trained him privately?

    - Moran claimed, in public, that his sister or aunt took him in after minor seminary where he came under the wings of Slipyj and was later ordained by him. No one has asked the name of the Catholic major seminary he attended before ordination, under the wings of Slipyj. This has been kept silent because he attended an Orthodox seminary.

    - Moran said publicly that Slipyj took him under his wing as a seminarian. But then, after ordination, he applied to come under Slipyj's jurisdiction. Why would he do this if Slipyj already had Moran under his wing? It is because Moran attended and was ordained Orthodox.

    - There is a complete absence of even a tiny Catholic remnant of priests and faithful from the supposed Orthodox-to-Catholic Union with Slipyj who would naturally have remained faithful to their twice consecreated/appointed bishop and jurisdictional superior according to their desire to stay with Slipyj. Even a priest from a congregation has this, let alone an Archbishop.

    - The paullum for archbishops is given in Rome by the pope, now Moran wears one, like he came to the seminary with a cardinal's vest.

    - On Moran's own website, no mention of anything Catholic is made. Rather, there is a strong anti-Catholic sentiment shown since the orthodox bishop he succeeds, according to Moran's website, is an old calendrist (i.e., traditional orthodox) opposed to Rome which the ecumenical Orthodox wanted to get closer to by changing their calendar.

    And most importantly :
    - The fact that Moran was indeed conditionally consecrated by the GOCA in 2008 and then consecrated for this schismatic group. Both of those actions incur the penalty of automatic excommunication, if ever he was Catholic.

    A legitimate Catholic bishop who has been excommunicated can validly administer orders, but the orders would be illicit, irregular and illegitimate, and the receiver of such orders would bear automatic excommunication.

    We should all run, not walk, away from this man.
     
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