Sedevacantism and Calvary

Discussion in 'Resistance Movement' started by Machabees, May 6, 2017.

  1. Machabees

    Machabees Well-Known Member

    There is a recent article drawing a picture of sedevacantism in our times in relation to our Lord and his expression to Caiaphas and St. Peter.

    [Excerpt:]
    "Thus we see that bad clergymen are indeed permitted by God. To decide that we cannot have a bad pope has no precedence in Church history. We know that Our Lord never took away the Priestly Office or Authority of Caiaphas, the High Priest at the time of Our Lord's Crucifixion. Caiaphas' behavior and speech was most certainly blasphemous and heretical. Yet Our Lord never uttered one word that stripped him of that office. The same for the very first Pope. St. Peter denied Our Lord three times, in truth, a mortal offense, not to mention the scandal it created. But recall that Our Lord knew Peter would fall. He prophesied that denial. Yet Christ did not take away Peter's Office of Pope. Rather, Our Lord Jesus Christ told St. Peter, “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren.” (Luke 22:32). We see thus that Christ states that St. Peter will fall into sin and error. But again, Our Lord Jesus Christ does not take away St. Peter's office of Pope. But instead states, “I have prayed for thee”. Does this not tell us what we must do the same with our fallen Popes? We pray for them and for the Church."​

    God is Wise. Humans are fickle. Holy Scripture shares itself rich in meaning and full of life for all generations far surpassing our understanding and capacity to learn. St. Thomas Aquinas also stopped his [great] work of the Summa Theologiae unfinished after having received a divine revelation.

    "On the feast of St. Nicholas (in 1273), Aquinas was celebrating Mass when he received a revelation that so affected him that he wrote and dictated no more, leaving his great work the Summa Theologiae unfinished. To Brother Reginald’s (his secretary and friend) expostulations he replied, "The end of my labors has come. All that I have written appears to be as so much straw after the things that have been revealed to me."

    So how can we understand God and his ways guiding his Church in each period of time?

    We can't!

    The mystery of Calvary still express itself in our time beautifully through the lives of the saints feeding the Church and is Bread of contemplation to the Angels for all eternity; "Blessed be the Lamb of God...Hosanna in the Highest". Still more, we know that the Pontiff Caiaphas was the High Priest of that time who was certainly crude, worldly, and evil against the Convent and Laws of God. He pushed God's people to sin and apostate. He was so bad, he murdered God! A deicide no other human, no other Authority, no other pontiff had ever done before in creation. Caiaphas' sin was a far worst sin than Judas who only betrayed Christ. Caiaphas was the one who had directly killed Christ. Not even Lucifer had committed such a sin. Yet, Christ did not remove Caiaphas nor divest him from his Authority over the Temple and the Law set as absolute in God's guidance over his people. The Chair of the Pontiff is greater than the person; it is the visible throne of God to his people.

    Yes, we know there are bad prelates and other popes explained well by St. John Eudes in his book ‘The Priest: His Dignity and Obligations’: Bad priests are a sign of God’s anger... (quoted in that above article).

    Quoted too, are some writings giving the mind of the Church that She can never remove the visible Authority of God over his people. Being so, there is also another major element here and need for human redemption that must extend itself to all time and generations, that is, the providing of Christ and his Glory through strife and calamity within His Church proving He is the Head and mover of Grace to human salvation. Thus, there always needs to be a High priest in body, to the Head, to make sacrifice placing Himself -the Lamb of God- on the Altar; our Lord commanded this.

    So in two parts of understanding, a visible Pontiff, the High priest, must always remain in time and needs to confer this generation of sacrifice to other priests for all people's redemption present and future generations to come; which an eclipse or sedevacantism cannot fulfill; and second, there needs a visible Pontiff, a High priest, to lead and "kill Christ" again in the second coming; meaning, it has been prophesied in Scripture and in Fatima, La Salette..., for the persecution of the Bride of Christ, that the Pontiff, the High priest, will persecute the Church in the footsteps of Her Spouse suffering Her way of the Cross to bleed through a passion (a white or red martyrdom) causing a disfigurement to Her Holiness and crucifixion to Her members in oblation to God as the Lamb. "Follow me", says our Lord. So a visible Pontiff, in the hands of a High priest, must make that betrayal and offering of Christ again in the Church [like Caiaphas], and for the Church, to fulfill the Revelation in the Gospels. A true continuity of Pontifical reign can only do this.

    There must be a Pontiff, a High Priest, to offer this sacrifice of the Church.

    A sedevacante in history is foolish like the mocking crowds telling Christ to come off the cross; remove yourself from your redemption and visible throne! Sedevacantism removes the High priest to offer the sacrifice of the Church. It cannot be.


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    [Here is an excellent book, "How Christ Said the First Mass", that includes the relationship of Caiaphas and his role as a High priest offering and leading the Lamb to slaughter. The wisdom and grandeur of our Lord had blended and wove together the fulfillment of the liturgical Old Testament and the New for His sacrifice into the beautiful liturgy we call the Mass - The greatest mystery of Redemption.]

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  2. Scarlet Pimpernel

    Scarlet Pimpernel Active Member

    A Monster with No Head

    Dear Friends, we could go on and on. Again, the sources and quotes and sayings are innumerable that tell us that
    the Holy Roman Catholic Church cannot be without a pope on the Chair of St. Peter. The Church never teaches
    us that that man will be free from error. But rather, She teaches that there will always be a visible Head of the
    Catholic Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ. We are never bound by obedience to false teaching. Holy
    Scripture as well as the Saints tell us this. But we are required to pray for the Pope. We know that we can have
    an abusive father, who teaches us to act erroneously (for example, to commit murder). We know we are under no
    obligation to obey him. But at the same time, no action or belief or rejection, can take erase the fact that that man
    is one's father and as such we are required to pray for him. Same too with the Holy Roman Pontiff. It is simple.
    God never requires us to be learned theologians to know and honor Him.
    One last thought on this subject, though there are so many proofs of the errors contained in sedevacantism, we
    could easily fill volumes cataloging them all. But we leave you with this simple lesson from the Catechism:
    Has the Church of Christ any marks by which it may be known?
    Christ's Church has these four marks: it is One, it is Holy, it is Catholic, and it is Apostolic.
    How is the Church one?
    The Church is one, because all its members agree in one faith, are all in one communion, and
    are all under one
    head.
    (Matt. XVI, 18.; Eph. IV. 37.)

    Dear Friends, it was recently posed to us the following question:
    What is an entity with no head?
    It is a monster.
    It is straight out of Hell. Where distortions and diabolical disorientations are born. Sedevacantism is an entity
    with no head. It is a monster created out of the errors of Vatican II. It survives and is fed by luring well-
    intentioned Catholics into thinking they are acting out of love for the Church. But in doing so, it forces Catholics
    to deny one of the very marks of the Church by which we know we have the Truth.

    full article here: http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/old-battle-new-fronts.4970/#post-10112
     
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  3. Admin

    Admin Moderator Staff Member

    LESSON TWELFTH: ON THE ATTRIBUTES AND MARKS OF THE CHURCH
    122. Q. Which are the attributes of the Church?

    A. The attributes of the Church are three: authority infallibility, and indefectibility.

    123. Q. What do you mean by the authority of the Church?
    A. By the authority of the Church I mean the right and power which the Pope and the bishops, as the successors of the Apostles, have to teach and to govern the faithful.

    124. Q. What do you mean by the infallibility of the Church?
    A. By the infallibility of the Church I mean that the Church cannot err when it teaches a doctrine of faith or morals.

    125. Q. When does the Church teach infallibly?
    A. The Church teaches infallibly when it speaks through the Pope and the bishops, united in general council, or through the Pope alone when he proclaims to all the faithful a doctrine of faith or morals.

    126. Q. What do you mean by the indefectibility of the Church?
    A. By the indefectibility of the Church I mean that the Church, as Christ founded it, will last till the end of time.

    127. Q. In whom are these attributes found in their fullness?
    A. These attributes are found in their fullness in the Pope, the visible Head of the Church, whose infallible authority to teach bishops, priests, and people in matters of faith or morals will last till the end of the world.

    128. Q. Has the Church any marks by which it may be known?
    A. The Church has four marks by which it may be known: it is One; it is Holy; it is Catholic; it is Apostolic.

    129. Q. How is the Church One?
    A. The Church is One because all its members agree in one faith, are all in one communion, and are all under one Head.

    130. Q. How is the Church Holy?
    A. The Church is Holy because its founder, Jesus Christ, is holy; because it teaches a holy doctrine; invites all to a holy life; and because of the eminent holiness of so many thousands of its children.

    131. Q. How is the Church Catholic or universal?
    A. The Church is Catholic or universal because it subsists in all ages, teaches all nations, and maintains all truth.

    132. Q. How is the Church Apostolic?
    A. The Church is Apostolic because it was founded by Christ on His Apostles, and is governed by their lawful successors, and because it has never ceased, and never will cease, to teach their doctrine.

    133. Q. In which Church are these attributes and marks found?
    A. These attributes and marks are found in the Holy Roman Catholic Church alone.

    134. Q. From whom does the Church derive its undying life and infallible authority?
    A. The Church derives its undying life and infallible authority from the Holy Ghost, the spirit of truth, who abides with it forever.

    135. Q. By whom is the Church made and kept One, Holy, and Catholic?
    A. The Church is made and kept One, Holy, and Catholic by the Holy Ghost, the spirit of love and holiness, who unites and sanctifies its members throughout the world.


    Twelfth Lesson Basic Catechism

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