Osservatore Romano Praises +Marx for Praising Marx

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  1. Admin

    Admin Administrator

    Osservatore Romano Praises +Marx for Praising Marx
    Monday, May 7, 2018


    Cardinal Marx almost made Karl Marx a "Father of the Church" - and the Osservatore Romano supports this attitude.

    (Rome) Cardinal Reinhard Marx, the President of the German Bishops' Conference, elevates the Communist leader Karl Marx as a doctor of the church - at least almost. And the Osservatore Romano, the pope's official newspaper, supports him.

    If anyone is looking for proof of who really has influence in the Church, then read the Osservatore Romano. Anyone who is allowed to publish from the church representatives there and whose initiatives are taken up there and benevolently passed on, enjoys prestige and influence from Pope Francis or the closest in the papal circle.

    In yesterday's Sunday edition of the Italian Osservatore Romano, an initiative of Cardinal Reinhard Marx, Archbishop of Munich and Freising, President of the German Bishops' Conference and member of the C9 Cardinal Council, was benevolently published: the "canonization" of Karl Marx.
    Karl Marx no "Church Father" - but almost

    Cardinal Marx makes Karl Marx church father

    On the day before, Saturday, May 5, the 200th birthday of the founder of "scientific materialism" was celebrated in Trier. His unusual namesake Reinhard Marx, who is a cardinal of the Holy Roman Church, also participated in the celebration. The praise of Marx for Marx was published yesterday by the Osservatore Romano with the article "Marx in controluce", "Marx in the back light". The title means something like "closer to Marx". The namesake of Marxism is "illuminated" by the cardinal with such sympathy and such spiritual encouragement that it must speak of a quasi-canonization.

    Osservatore Romano reported:

    "We are all on the shoulders of Karl Marx. That does not mean that he is a church father. "

    This outrageous formulation reserved for former popes and church leaders means that Karl Marx is not a church father, but almost one.

    These astonishingly unrealistic words by the German cardinal were printed without comment and above all without contradiction by the pope's daily newspaper. The same applies to the acquittal of Karl Marx from any responsibility for the million-fold murder committed in his name by communists and socialists of all stripes in the last 170 years since the publication of the Communist Manifesto in 1848.
    Marx, according to Marx, is not responsible for crime

    The Osservatore Romano quoted Cardinal Marx:

    "If one can not, historically, separate a thinker from what others have done later in his name," it is true, but also true, that he can not be blamed for everything that was committed by his theories in the gulag of Stalin."

    That's how easy it is with the "responsibility" of Karl Marx, at least according to Cardinal Marx, who stares at Marxism and all its shades with stare.
    The "Flag of Communism"

    Cardinal Marx’s controversial statement, quoted by the Osservatore Romano in his edition yesterday, is reminiscent of a sentence by Pope Francis.

    "In any case, concludes the cardinal," we should never have stolen an unbridled capitalism, the banner of justice against the workers and solidarity with those who are trampled. "
    Pope Francis said in an interview with the Roman daily Il Messaggero on June 29, 2014:

    "The Communists stole the flag from us. The banner of the poor is Christian ".

    The German cardinal varied and extended the phrase in the sense of the "Papist International", which according to Gianni Vattimo was to replace the Communist International.

    The American publicist George Neumayr, author of the book "The Political Pope" said euphemistically in September 2017 in an interview with Maike Hickson on the Pope's comment:

    "The popes of the past, who recognized the power of communism to enslave the poor, would have been greatly irritated at such comments."

    Under Pope Francis, Osservatore Romano does not irritate with either its near-canonization of Martin Luther or the quasi-elevation to Doctor of the Church of Karl Marx.

  2. JillMcFaul

    JillMcFaul Active Member

    What the heck? They will say anything just for the shock value I think. "Vanity of Vanities, and all is Vanity!" And that is with capital V's.
  3. Deus Vult

    Deus Vult Well-Known Member

    That reminds me of this recent article from the Recusant:

    Page 30
    Darwin, Marx and Freud
    (“Show me who your friends are...”)
    Moses Mordecai Marx Levy, better known to us today as Karl Marx, was a great supporter of Darwin’s ideas. Even the
    pro-evolutionist, fundamentalist-atheist Wikipedia admits:
    In late November 1859, Friedrich Engels acquired one of the first 1,250 copies of Charles Darwin’s The Origin of Species,
    and then he sent a letter to Karl Marx telling [him]: “Darwin, by the way, whom I’m just reading now, is absolutely splendid.” The following year, Marx wrote back to his colleague telling that this book contained the natural-history foundation of the historical materialism viewpoint:
    “These last four weeks, I have read all sorts of things. Among others, Darwin's book on natural selection. Although it is developed in the crude English style, this is the book which contains the basis on natural history for our view.”
    -Marx; December 19, 1860.

    Next month, Marx wrote to his friend Ferdinand Lassalle:
    “Darwin’s work is most important and suits my purpose in that it provides a basis in
    natural science for the historical class struggle.” -Marx; 16 January 1861

    Although there is no mention of Darwin in The Communist Manifesto (published 11 years prior to Origin of Species), Marx includes two explicit references to Darwin and evolution in the second edition of Das Kapital [...] In a book review of the first volume of Das Kapital, Friedrich Engels wrote that Marx was “simply striving to establish the same gradual process of transformation demonstrated by Darwin in natural history as a law in the social field.” In this line of thought, several authors such as William F. O'Neill, have seen that “Marx describes history as a social Darwinist ‘survival of the fittest’ dominated by the conflict between different social classes” and moving to a future in which social conflict will ultimately disappear in a ‘classless society’”, while some Marxists try to dissociate Marx from social darwinism. Nonetheless, it is evident that Marx had a strong liking for Darwin's theory and a clear influence on his thought.”
    (See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influences_on_Karl_Marx#Charles_Darwin) ​

    When the second edition of Das Kapital was published in 1873, two years after Darwin’s “The Descent of Man”, Marx sent a signed copy of Das Kapital to Darwin, referring to himself a “sincere admirer.”

    “During most of their adult lives the two men, who - in different ways- were perhaps the most revolutionary and enduring thinkers of the nineteenth century, lived in England less than 20 miles apart. They never met. However, Karl Marx and Charles Darwin became aware of each other in direct and indirect ways. [...]

    Marx first read Darwin’s The Origin of Species a year after its publication, in December
    1860. Marx was then 42 years old, living in London, and at the height of his intellectual
    powers; he had already formulated his main ideas on the materialistic conception of histo-
    ry, the class struggle, and the theory of surplus value. In the spring of 1862 he reread
    The Origin. In the fall of 1862, in the company of Wilhelm Liebknecht, a German Communist
    friend, he attended a series of six lectures, in which Thomas Huxley popularized and ex-
    plained Darwin’s ideas to an audience of English workers. “We,” Liebknecht later wrote,
    “spoke of nothing else for months but Darwin and the enormous significance of his scien-
    tific discoveries...” ”
    (Taken from ‘The Contacts Between Karl Marx and Charles Darwin’ by Ralph Colp Jr,
    ‘Journal of the History of Ideas,’ Vol. 35, No. 2, Apr.-Jun., 1974, pp. 329-338)​

    “In 1859, when Charles Darwin published The Origin of Species, Sigmund Freud was
    three years old. As a young student and later, during his early years as a dedicated scien-
    tific researcher, Freud greatly admired Darwin, who had gained considerable popularity
    throughout Europe. In his Autobiographical Study, Freud would recall that “Darwin's doctrine,
    then in vogue, was a powerful attraction, since it promised to provide an extraordinary thrust to
    understanding the universe.” (1925d). From then on Darwin joined Hannibal in Freud’s personal
    pantheon and he dreamed of becoming his equal. In his A Difficulty in the Path of Psycho-Analysis,
    he described the three wounds inflicted on humanity's pride: when Copernicus established that
    the earth was not the center of the universe, when Darwin proved that mankind developed in an
    unbroken line from other animal species, and when he, Freud, showed that man did not have
    control over the most important aspects of his own mental processes (1917a).
    Freud cites Darwin at least twenty times in his published writings.
    [. . .]
    [Darwin’s book The Descent of Man, 1871] postulated a process of continuous evolution
    from animal to man and distinguished stages within human evolution, that is, a temporal
    sequence that was also a form of progress, a hierarchy ranging from the most primitive
    forms to the most noble: lower animals, higher animals, the ‘savage,’ civilized man.
    Darwin distinguished between ‘inferior’ human races and ‘superior’ races, even superior
    nations (such as Great Britain). Like many others at the time, Freud accepted these ideas
    and used them to support his views on the progress of civilization through the difficult,
    but necessary, repression of instinctual drives, a repression that made necessary the
    phenomenon of sublimation, which directed these energies to more ‘noble’ ends.”
    (www.encyclopedia.com/psychology/dictionaries -thesauruses-pictures-and-press
    (See also: creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j24_2/j24_2_117-121.pdf)​

    Recusant, issue 46