Bishop Fellay - Developments with Rome

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  1. unbrandable

    unbrandable Well-Known Member



    At 3:00 Bishop Fellay talks about how Rome is offering the SSPX a new body. At the head will be a bishop chosen by the Pope from 3 names that are presented by the Society and taken in the Society.

    At 14:34 he says that the latest SSPX "victory" is that they have in writing from Rome a statement that says that the SSPX can freely ordain priests without permission from the local Ordinaries.
     
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  2. Deus Vult

    Deus Vult Well-Known Member

    What a joke. The Society has been ordaining Priests without permission from the local Ordinaries for over 40 years under the Catholic Church's supplied jurisdiction in a crisis situation.

    The only difference with this which Bsp. Fellay's trying to sell, is that the sspx will now officially be connected to the schismatic conciliar Church.
    Please read Archbishop Lefebvre's many warnings as to the danger of putting themselves under Rome.
    Now it will be true, with the blessing of Bsp Fellay, the sspx will officially be schismatic.



    In the video, at about the 33 min. point, Fr. Hesse's explanation about validity of sacraments, helps to further understand our peculiar situation in this crisis.
    At 39 min. he answers a question from a lady regarding validity of ordination. He even states, that he himself (42 min.) was ordained in a schismatic rite. He further explains in detail, how his ordination, even though in a schismatic rite, is indeed valid.
    Main point here is Fr. Hesse is reinforcing what Archbishop Lefebvre said, the conciliar Church is a schismatic Church, “It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith.” (Abp. Lefebvre, Spiritual Journey, p. 13)
     
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  3. Machabees

    Machabees Well-Known Member

    A real "victory" at the cost of giving modernist rome the compromise of controlling all their judicial, administrative, and sacramental actions to effectively subdue the neo-sspx priests and its people.

    At the same time we are to believe from Bishop Fellay two months ago in his letter to his people that they are staying away from the modernists - UNLESS - there is [some strange] "providence" from God. How lovely...the "providence" is happening...including a "head" to be chosen by the modernist pope to lead the neo-sspx.

    Gee, who may that be who favors all things conciliar - Fr. Schmidberger, Fr. Pfluger, Fr. "blooper" Rostand...?

    Question. How can one be in and out at the same time?

    Bishop Fellay also said in a May 13, 2016 Interview with the National Catholic Register, "Little by Little Rome Is Giving Us All We Need for Reconciliation". Including to say within the same interview, “It will be quite a work, and it will take time to be able to bring the faithful to realize this new face in the history of the Church, this new reality,” Adding, "not moving ahead “because things are bad is by no way what God, Our Lord, is requesting from his apostles.”

    So "providence" has been on Bishop Fellay's side he says while he betrays the faith and makes a full conciliar implementation program here, Neo-SSPX Acclimating the Faithful to Accept the Conciliar Revolution.

    So, how can one be in and out at the same time?
     
  4. Machabees

    Machabees Well-Known Member

    Bishop Fellay is also running around in his promotion of "all things conciliar" to the remaining friend religious communities, as he did recently to the Benedictines in Silver City, New Mexico, telling them in a minor order sermon the same thing that he/they can "freely" ordain priests and adding (at minute 6:00) that it is necessary to be in order with "incardination" from the Church. True as it is; plain also is his own push for "incardination" into the conciliar church.

    http://www.ourladyofguadalupemonastery.com/index.html

    Fr. Pfluger did say they are "irregular" and must be canonically reconciled or they will become "sedevacantist". As he also said here,
    “As for us, we also suffer a DEFAULT, because of our canonical IRREGULARITY. It is not only the state of the post-conciliar Church which is imperfect, SO IS OURS.” And further on: “The obligation to work actively to overcome the crisis cannot be disputed. And this work BEGINS WITH US, wanting to overcome our canonical state ABNORMAL.”(Kirchliche Umschau, October 17, 2012)​

    The Merry-go-round and round of the neo-sspx...

     
  5. immaculata

    immaculata Well-Known Member

    First point: Bishop Fellay says there will be no change for the sspx...they can stay as they are,,,Then why do they want a NO Bishop overseeing them..And what exactly is the role of the new Prelature?

    Secondly, Fr Pfuger, did the Archbishop put a time limit on the SSPX standing separate from the conciliar church?
    At what point in time did the SSPX actually become 'irregular'.
    and at what point does the sspx become 'sedevacantist'.? Fr Pfuger is just bulldozing the faithful who are not thinking. He just likes playing on words to scare the faithful into their way of thinking so they will go along with the merging with Rome. How dare they try to manipulate the faithfuls' minds!
    ROME IS THE ONE WHO BECAME 'IRREGULAR' WITH THE ARRIVAL OF VATICAN2. THE SOCIETY, WHICH THE ARCHBISHOP FOUNDED WAS THE LIFEBOAT FOR CATHOLIC TRADITION! THE ONLY WAY THE WORK BEGINS WITH US (AS fR PFLUGER SAYS) IS BY OUR WORKS AND PRAYERS FOR ROME'S RETURN TO THE FAITH!

    And the other ploy of 'sedevacantism'. The Archbisop never said..We form this Society for a certain amount of time, but then we must try to negotiate with Rome, lest we become Sede...NO, THE ARCHBISHOP DID SAY..NO COMPROMISE WITH ROME! Nothing UNTIL ROME comes back to the faith!
     
  6. smiley

    smiley Member

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    In 1987 Abp. Lefebvre:
    “I said to him [Cardinal Ratzinger, who became Pope Benedict XVI] ‘Even if you grant us a bishop, even if you grant us some autonomy from the bishops, even if you grant us the 1962 Liturgy, even if you allow us to continue running our seminaries in the manner we are doing it right now—we cannot work together! It is impossible! Impossible! Because we are working in diametrically opposing directions. You are working to de-Christianize society, the human person and the Church, and we are working to Christianize them. We cannot get along together!’” (Marcel Lefebvre, Bp. Tissier de Mallerais, p. 548).
     
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  7. Martius

    Martius Guest

    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/11/sspx-exclusive-bp-fellay-speaks-to.html

    SSPX Exclusive - Bp. Fellay speaks to Rorate on Rome negotiations as world's largest traditional seminary is blessed in Virginia

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    A Conversation with Bishop Fellay

    By Father Kevin M. Cusick*
    (Rorate
    correspondent for the opening of the SSPX Seminary in Virginia)​

    The faithful gather from far and wide

    Dozens of cars from many states and Canada lined the gravel drive that connects the blacktop country road in the small town of Dillwyn, Virginia, with the new seminary of the Society of Saint Pius X on a knoll in the heart of the property. I found an unclaimed spot along a side trail and began to walk myself, joining the faithful young and old on their way to the holy Mass at the head of the day’s events planned to inaugurate the new US headquarters for the mission of forming the priests of the apostolate.

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    A non-Catholic couple from Farmville, Virginia, stopped and offered me a ride, he a VIP guest from the Chamber of Commerce. I gratefully accepted: my formal shoes ill-suited for the hike still ahead of me along the drive that by turns was muddy. I exited the vehicle before a vast white tent where the pontifical High Mass was already underway, priests hearing confessions on the open ground next to it.

    The day’s events

    Once inside the tent I found open seating at the front near the SSPX sisters at the temporary altar rails. Over 1,000 intrepid faithful overflowed the tent, some with mud caked on their shoes, eloquent evidence of the difficulties which they are willing to endure for the Faith fed by the Mass of all time. The abundance of families have become no doubt well used to Mass in fields under inclement weather over the years in what has been an often homeless apostolate. The full sunshine on this day, however, promised a natural benediction to accompany the bishop’s sacramental ministry.

    The Mass was certainly beautiful, secured as such through faithfulness to the tradition handed down to ensure the worthy praise and honor of God. The seminary schola and servers were alert and attentive soldiers in the army of the Lord, formed now and for the future to fight for His rights as God among men who sometimes fall slack in their loving devotion.

    Bishop Fellay’s sermon

    In his sermon Bishop Fellay spoke simply and without pretense about the new seminary, the life of seminarians, the mission of the priesthood in the Church for the salvation of souls. Prayer, silence, spiritual reading and detachment from earthly things are among the necessities for men called to priesthood, he reminded us.

    Many young people and families from a dozen or more states in the throng are a strong promise for the future. Some queued in the line for the lunch ahead of me had flown from Saint Mary’s, Kansas. European accents were in evidence in accord with the strong international identity of the Society.

    The seminary building had only been approved for occupation the previous day and then only with the proviso that a fire truck be standing by at all times. A generous benefactor made even that possible so that the day could proceed as planned.

    Lunch took place in the vast refectory under the imposing crucifix as well as on tables set up in courtyard around a water reservoir necessary in case of fires due to seminary’s remote location.

    Blessings

    The blessing procession began with the bishop and clergy formed up in the small seminary chapel and exiting to meet faithful outside for commencing the litanies and blessing prayers. First the exterior of the building was blessed and then interior, the refectory and the refectory crucifix as we chanted the “Asperges me”. Bronze non-liturgical bells from France were blessed outside and then hung in hallways and classrooms for marking the periods of the seminary day.

    The seminary building reminds of a French Romanesque chateau with its rounded corner towers capped by conical roofs. The appointments are spare in favor of quality construction to last for many years in brick, stone, slate and copper. Turkish travertine paving stones will be laid over the cement walks, the heavy wooden doors and banisters were made by seminarians practiced in the carpenter’s trade. These are rendered in a beautiful and loving craftsmanship intended to endure, reflecting both of the beauty of our Creator God through what He has made and His image in man whose skills praise Him.

    I met with Bishop Fellay after a tour of the seminary, work on the final finishing details interrupted briefly for the hospitality necessary to serve the day’s numerous guests. Work has progressed enough to allow the worship, prayer and classes to begin. Our conversation was made possible through kindness of the Society’s media relations man and Society priests.

    “Almost ready”

    I asked the bishop if he had good news to share about the status of the personal prelature rumored to be on offer in Rome in order to integrate the Society fully and permanently into the life of the universal Church. The bishop described the current arrangements as “almost ready” and one of “fine tuning”, his demeanor and expression exuding confidence and serenity. When I asked if the situation was one merely for prayer he was very quick to assert that developments in the canonical proceedings had progressed beyond that point. But, he said, “the problem is not there” but with the matter of Vatican II.

    “There’s still some need of clarification.”

    He went on to elaborate, however, that the documents of Vatican II are at issue, a matter with which many readers are already aware, the remaining sticking points being those documents treating religious liberty, ecumenism and reform of the liturgy. The Society has been very firm and consistent over the years that these teachings are incompatible with the integral tradition of the Church.

    The bishop recommended three major interviews given by Abp. Pozzo and published by the French bishops’ newspaper La Croix as a good source for an adequate summary of the current status of talks between the Society and the Holy See because “these give the position of Rome clearly”. The most recent of these was published in July.

    The bishop elaborated by describing the talks on the documents of Vatican II with Rome as being in a “clarification” stage. He mentioned this as being the case in particular because of the statement by Archbishop Muller that the Society must accept Vatican II, including the portions at issue.

    “The Modernists”

    The bishop said that “there is a lot of pressure from those which we call the Modernists” to make things impossible when it comes to integrating the Society.

    He said that “a certain mentality” is involved here and “you know it can be very difficult to change mentalities”; it is the mentality of a certain generation” and these things “take time”. He said that we must arrive at a point where one can “disagree and still be a Catholic” when it comes to the mentioned points of Vatican II at issue.

    It appears Bishop Fellay is prepared to wait if necessary, biding his time though not idle in the least, for the work of the Society continues to grow and flourish. I thanked him for his ministry as bishop and for the beautiful Mass and sermon which began this first day of a new phase in the life of the society.

    The men lining up to bolster as priests the already vigorous life of the Society begin formation in the new seminary, prepared for a capacity of 120, are a sign of robust faith. No modernists here.


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    *Fr. Cusick, a chaplain in the United States Navy, is also the pastor of St. Francis de Sales, in Benedict, Maryland (Archdiocese of Washington)
     
  8. Machabees

    Machabees Well-Known Member

    Bishop Fellay said:

    "...I asked the bishop if he had good news to share about the status of the personal prelature rumored to be on offer in Rome in order to integrate the Society fully and permanently into the life of the universal Church. The bishop described the current arrangements as “almost ready” and one of “fine tuning”, his demeanor and expression exuding confidence and serenity. When I asked if the situation was one merely for prayer he was very quick to assert that developments in the canonical proceedings had progressed beyond that point. But, he said, “the problem is not there” but with the matter of Vatican II."

    "...The bishop recommended three major interviews given by Abp. Pozzo and published by the French bishops’ newspaper La Croix as a good source for an adequate summary of the current status of talks between the Society and the Holy See because “these give the position of Rome clearly”. The most recent of these was published in July.

    "The bishop elaborated by describing the talks on the documents of Vatican II with Rome as being in a “clarification” stage."

    "...[Bishop Fellay] said that we must arrive at a point where one can “disagree and still be a Catholic” when it comes to the mentioned points of Vatican II at issue." (sic)​

    And the three "major interviews" given by Abp. Pozzo and published by the French bishops’ newspaper La Croix":

    #1 - "The difficulties raised by the SSPX regarding Church-State relations and religious freedom,the practice of ecumenism, and the dialogue with non-Christian religions, of certain aspects of the liturgical reform, and of its concrete application, remain the object of discussion and clarification, Abp. Pozzo [of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei] added, but they are not an obstacle for the canonical and legal recognition of the SSPX."

    #2 - Bp. Fellay has Accepted Personal Prelature Proposal for SSPX, Details being Worked Out

    #3 - Canonical Reconciliation: Neo-SSPX Officially Accepts Vatican II in light of Tradition

    And a #4 - SSPX’s Bishop Fellay: Little by Little Rome Is Giving Us All We Need for Reconciliation
     
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  9. Martius

    Martius Guest

    Reminds one of George Orwell's 1984 Newspeak -
    Newspeak is the fictional language in the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, written by George Orwell. It is a controlled language created by the totalitarian state Oceania as a tool to limit freedom of thought, and concepts that pose a threat to the regime such as freedom, self-expression, individuality, and peace. Any form of thought alternative to the party’s construct is classified as "thoughtcrime".

    ... The language follows, for the most part, the same grammatical rules as English, but has a much more limiting, and constantly shifting, vocabulary. Any synonyms or antonyms, along with undesirable concepts, are eradicated. The goal is for everyone except the Proles — the working-class citizens of Oceania — to be speaking this language by the year 2050. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak